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ATP British Military Watches

While there is a great deal of information on British military timepieces, there is less information available on the ATP watch.

The exact meaning of the ATP acronym is still unknown, but they were supplied during WW2; and most have the following characteristics:

15 jewelled movement with a round waterproof  case in stainless steel or nickel chrome, silvered dial with luminous spots and batons and luminous radioactive hands.

There were at 17 Manufacturers of these watches with 20 different variations.

Although small by the standards of today, they are reliable timepieces; however there are “fakes” of these watches appearing.

ATP British Military Watch

ATP British Military Watch

Selling your Vintage Military Watch

If you wish to sell a WW2 or other period military timepiece (it can be Army, Navy or Airforce issue) – I would be interested in purchasing.

The most important thing is to not try to clean the case or even attempt to force the caseback from the watch to view the movement.

I am able to provide an honest valuation on military clocks and watches and have many happy clients that are surprised and thrilled with the cash payments that they have received.

To aid a valuation detailed images of the front and back are very useful.

With any watch it is the condition that is paramount, and sometimes the repair cost and search for original parts can be expensive.

I look forward to hearing from you if you are interested in selling a military watch or clock that is no longer working, wanted or was just a war souvenir.

WW2 LUFTWAFFE WATCH

During the Third Reich era a number of timepieces/watches and clocks were developed for use by the German Airforce or Luftwaffe.

As aircraft were being developed that were flying faster, higher  and longer accurate more accurate mechanical timepieces were required to ensure that locations were reached and that a pilot and crew were able to return back home.

Tutima and Hanhart were brands that many Luftwaffe fighter pilots wore on their wrists during the early days of combat in 1939 to 1945. However many watches were continued to be worn as war souvenirs by the victorious forces, and some watches were issued to French forces as reparation items.

Wartime photos of pilots will show their watches proudly shown to the cameraman, these watches were robust, reliable and did everything a pilot required.

Adolf Galland – Luftwaffe Pilot

Adolf Joseph Ferdinand Galland (19 March 1912 – 9 February 1996) was a highly decorated German Luftwaffe General and “flying ace” who served throughout World War II in Europe.

He flew 705 combat missions, and fought on the Western front and in Defence of the Reich. On four occasions he survived being shot down, and he was credited with 104 aerial victories, all of them against the Western Allies.

There are images of him using a watch, but none to date have shown him with a Tutima of Hanhart WW2 chronograph that were so popular with the German pilots of that era.

A wartime image of Adolf Galland wearing the Knights Cross with swords, oakleaves and diamonds

A wartime image of Adolf Galland wearing the Knights Cross with swords, oakleaves and diamonds

 

WW2 German Aircraft Clock

While WW2 German Aircraft Clocks are not that uncommon, it is difficult to find them in good working condition. The example shown below however will be hard to improve upon as it appears it has never been fitted to a military aircraft and it retains the original brown cardboard carton it was supplied in.

This clock is a version 5 that was produced approximately between 1942 – 1945. It is manufactured by the well known German manufacturer Junghans and was designed to incorporate a 36 hour movement with chronograph.

This style aircraft clock was fitted to a wide range of military aircraft including the JU87 (infamous Stuka), as well as the Messerschmitt Bf 109, 110, Focke-Wulf Fw 190 and the jet engined Heinkel He 162.

WW2 German Aircraft Luftwaffe Clock

WW2 German Aircraft Clock Carton

How Much Is My Military Clock Worth?

How Much Is My Military Clock Worth? I am often asked this question when I haven’t  seen the item or any images. Therefore I rely upon the owner to provide an accurate description before I can look at any provided images.

Value of military clocks have increased from the 1980′s when very little was known on the subject. However due to the present economic climate I believe that rise in values have slowed.

One of biggest issue that can decrease value on a military clock like any antique is the overall condition. Collectors like to see vintage timepieces with a few marks on them, but there is nothing worse than seeing a clock that has been abused. I have seen abuse ranging from vice marks on the clock case, and impropertools being used on the delicate movements by untrained people.

However this doesn’t mean that the clock must be put on a buffing wheel to make it highly polished. All this does is remove the original surface finish that detracts from what a collector is looking for. An interesting example of this is the WW2 German (Kriegsmarine) Naval clocks, originally the brass cases were coated with a black covering; however most examples seen today will have the covering removed and the brass polished.

Very often it must be considered carefully if a military clock is beyond economical repair as parts for the vast majority are in short supply, and  qualified clock repair labour rates can be expensive.

Originality is also a very important factor as there are sometimes damaged hands are replaced with non-original ones. 

If you have a militaryclock, watch or timepiece

WW2 US Navy Clock

for sale and you are unsure of value please feel free to contact me for free confidential advice via email 

info@militarywatchbuyer.com, or call 07977 057 330 or via the contact page on this website.

British Military (MOD) Clock

This is a large and heavy timepiece that was designed for the purpose of being a Signal Centre Clock. It is key wound, the movement being a Smiths “Astral”. The case is designed not only to protect the clock against severe knocks, but is also fully waterproof as it has 4 large screws on the front for this purpose.

The key is retained in a dedicated holder, and the dial adorned with the standard British Military broadarrow shows 12hr as well as 24hr markings; while a removable dial ring can be used to show Greenwich meantime.

The use of the clock along with instructions on how to wind and make the mechanism waterproof are included on the rear of the removable metal front panel.

British MOD Waterproof Operations Clock

 

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How Much Is My Military Watch Worth?

I am often asked this question when I haven’t  seen the item or any images. Therefore I rely upon the owner to provide an accurate description before I can look at any provided images.

Value of military watches have increased from the 1980’s when very little was known on the subject. However due to the present economic climate I believe that rise in values have slowed.

One of biggest issue that can decrease value on a military watch like any antique is the overall condition. Collectors like to see vintage watches with a few marks on them, but there is nothing worse than seeing a watch that has been abused. I have seen abuse ranging from vice marks on the watch case, deep chisel marks on the case backs to improper tools being used on the delicate movements by untrained people.

However this doesn’t mean that the watch must be put on a buffing wheel to make it highly polished. All this does is remove the original surface finish that detracts from what a collector is looking for.

Very often it must be considered carefully if a military watch is beyond economical repair as parts for the vast majority are in short supply, and  qualified watch repair labour rates can be expensive.

Originality is also a very important factor as there are sometimes “marriages” of same brand but incorrect model components.

In conclusion all vintage watches be they military issue or made for the civilian market have a value; and the value is determined by condition, originality, how rare an item is in pure production numbers/market perception.

If you have a military watch or clock for sale and you are unsure of value please feel free to contact me for free advice via email info@militarywatchbuyer.com or 07977 057 330 or via the contact page on this website.

ORIGINAL MILITARY CYMA WATCH

I was recently contacted by a friend that was on holiday in Scotland, and knows I am interested in watches. He came across a watch that he thought was military at an antiques market and called me. The description sounded hopeful and after images were sent to me I could see it was a vintage British Army Cyma watch.

The Cyma is part of a group of watches (known in the collecting field as the dirty dozen) that started to be supplied/issued by 12 Swiss watch producers at the end of WW2; and are called WWW military watches.

Other watch brands supplied at this time include:

Timor, Eterna, Longines, IWC, Buren, Grana, Jaeger Le Coultre, Record, Vertex, Lemania & Omega.

Although these military timepieces were not actually issued during WW2, they were used in subsequent conflicts; and some even saw use during the Falklands Campaign.

All these vintage watches were manufactured to a similar criteria in respect of size, dial design, type of hands, shatterproof glass and number of jewels in the movement.

The Cyma military watch purchased is in very good condition for the age and has the original hands, while the dial has discoloured to a dark chocolate brown colour; and keeps very good time. An indication of how well the watch has been looked after is the lack of any damage on the rear case. Very often the case backs are opened without the proper tools and therefore deep scratches are seen that damages the watch value.

This can then lead on to the movement being viewed and then potentially damaged by those that are not experienced with working with watch movements.

Well made, and well looked after military watch

Cyma WWW Military Timepiece in good condition

All Military Watches Wanted!

Militarywatchbuyer.com is a website that purchases all genuine military watches for the best prices.

Military watches are wanted and purchased for cash.

I provide free valuations, as well as advice on who to approach if the watch requires repair work.

I operate a honest policy where my knowledge is free of charge.

Please feel free to contact me via email or telephone, or use the contact form on the contact page.

info@militarywatchbuyer.com

07977 057 330